What is it about the tried and true followers of Sarah Palin? Make even the mildest criticism of her and it is as if you have slammed a saint. You are called not only unreasonable but out of the loop. Mental doors shut and you know this or that person will never again take what you have to say seriously.
Let’s be honest about her good points and her not so good. To her credit is her stand on energy in the US. We need to responsibly develop it. Not to do anything is a form of suicide and she has seen this first hand in Alaska.
She has kept the faith in all other matters to do with conservatism in finance and in the role of government in the lives of the people. But Sarah Palin is only human and it was her more than human side that led her to go “rogue” and leave the governorship of Alaska prematurely
She has gone rogue as she has said. But most recently her rogue nature has caused her to shadow the current campaign rather than joining in. I am not sure many voters will appreciate her watching this spectacle and then jumping in.
So those of us who admire her good qualities but are of the opinion that her political misdeeds will come to haunt her incur the wrath of the Palin preachers. They preach and they preach and before long you find yourself looking for a confessional even if you are not part of the church at Rome.
One hopes the faithful will eventually see that an opinion is neither a put-down nor an act of war and that is is possible for loyal Republicans and patriots to respectfully disagree. As for SamHenry, the bottom line is:
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man. Hamlet Act I, scene 3, 78-82
Can America afford a rogue President? It seems we have one now.
To be or not to be 2012.
loopyloo305
September 26, 2011
Can we afford not to have someone that is willing to do things differently? It is not going to be enough Sam Henry, to go back to the way it was before George W. Bush and Obama. It has gone way too extreme. Its like trying to use a paper towel to get dried egg off a dish. It can be done but it takes a long time and more than one to do it. It is better to use a tool made for the job. Maybe Sarah will not run, if not, I like Herman Cain, but I will vote for whomever wins the nomination on the Rep. side. The current situation is simply intolerable!
samhenry
September 26, 2011
I agree it is intolerable. It has made us look like vengeful rabble when we are deadly serious about what has to happen.
I agree that change is absolutely a necessity for us to survive as the nation we want to know. But we may disagree on who could best do it. So far among the candidates, I like Cain but I have reservations that I hope will be dispelled. I am the same way with Palin.
Good morning to you! I so appreciate hearing from you on this. May our paths cross but not our words.
loopyloo305
September 26, 2011
Good morning to you Sam Henry! There are a lot of us Palin supporters who are not so rabid. Like Samiam, or Jim at Conservatives on Fire, or John Scotus at Tree Of Mamre. We are hoping that she enters, but are still open minded enough to look at alternatives. At least those I mentioned are, we have discussed it publicly on our blogs. Personally, I am willing to listen to anyone, even those that I don’t like, simply because things are so bad. It is a shame that our country is in this situation and it is sad that we will be a long time changing it. I will continue to listen to all those who are willing to put themselves out there and am not yet willing to shut out anyone!
samhenry
September 26, 2011
That’s the LoopyLoo I admire. I’m with you and the others. Conservatives speak common sense. The problem is we are being drowned out by the Liberals who are inciting blacks and hispanics to take this country. And they are doing so with an eye to a caretaker state. It was not until Obama that I realized my home was Conservative.The Democrats are too far gone left to come back. However that charlatan Obama will try to make himself look like a middle of the road candidate like last time. We need to track what he says and be ready to throw his won words in his face. Let him keep the good squads; we have the brain power.
loopyloo305
September 26, 2011
It took Obama to wake me up as well. I look back now and wonder what in the world was I thinking? I was actually a supporter of Hillary until I woke up. Perhaps it took Obama to make a lot of us wake up to what the Democrat party was becoming and the direction they were taking the country. Perhaps it just takes getting older and wiser (I hope) to realize that who is in power is more important that I realized before!
samhenry
September 26, 2011
LL what you have said I KNOW many others are saying. And at no time in recent history is this more important. We are under attack all around. And no one has shut down the border in the south or north that I know yet. And now the cartels. What the H is going on.
loopyloo305
September 26, 2011
I think that we have an enemy in our midst at the highest seat of power and that they are deliberately weakening our defenses, our economy, our ability to provide all the essentials,(food, energy, and even water), and they are systematically destroying our country bit by bit. I fear that we have a very limited time frame to reverse the destruction that they have and continue to inflict on us. That is what I think, and I know it is shared by many, I just hope that it is enough to actually change the course. I wish that Anthony were here to remind us that God is still in control. I miss his upbeat outlook on the future.
samhenry
September 26, 2011
I am one of the many LL. But sadly the powers that be are rallying the people they feel have a grudge against whites to forestall any return to what we knew. Time is running out. We probably have less than a year to prepare for this election and to mount a miracle campaign to win.
loopyloo305
September 26, 2011
I am hopeful that they have played that card a little too much and it won’t work as well this time. People are starting to worry about their pocketbooks more than what someone is saying or not saying about the color of their skin!
James Crawford
September 26, 2011
You bring up Palin’s resignation of her Governship and hesitation to declare her candidacy as two of her faults.
The Democrat party had funded an unrelenting stream of unsubstantiated ethics complaints against Governor Palin that resulted in her incurring hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees that she was personally liable for under Alaska’s stringent ethics laws. Her husband who had been obligated to resign a lucrative managerial position at BP was compelled to return to work as a lower paid operating engineer to help pay the bills. In spite of every effort to pay the bills, the Democrat Party’s Jihad to drive the Palins into bankruptcy was succeeding. This was the politics of personal destruction taken almost to the ultimate extreme. Palin’s resignation of her Governship put an end to the frivolous and vindictive ethics complaints tat had driven her family to the verge of bankruptcy while giving her the freedom to peruse the lucrative opportunities that would allow her to provide for hervfamily. We should demand much from our political leaders, but expecting them to commit financial suicide and condemn their children (including a Downs Sydrome child) to poverty is demanding too much.
As for Governor Palin’s flirtation with declaring her candidacy, similar criticism has not been made of Republican establishment hopefuls such as Governor Christy. Gov Palin observed how Hillary Clinton’s candidacy falterred for lack of money because she declared too early. There may be a sound political strategy for Governor Palin’s delay, including the need to debunk the latest slime.
IMHO, Governor Palin’s political strip tease act has been a bit frustrating and I’ll be very disappointed if she doesn’t run, but it is her life and her judgement on her political tactics should be respected.
samhenry
September 26, 2011
I remember all of the above prior to her resignation and I am happy you have thoroughly recounted it.
However, had she not put herself to far outside the Republican fold she might have found some assistance to counter the lawsuits. Where was the outrage when she had to resign because of them. Nowhere. Would that she had fought it more strongly and have used her media savvy to throw a glaring light on what was going on but she only, as I recall, got vocal about it just before she resigned.
It also would have benefited American politics had she made more of it following her resignation.
I was not pleased how she dived into the middle of the tea party factions rather than trying to mend their fences.
Most important, during the 2008 campaign, she was a divisive factor in the party and that was an unwelcome surprise and took away from her candidacy
I find her to have a powerful and electric way of bringing people together she should have used more. I only fault her and Bachmanm for not enough in-depth knowledge of important issues.
No matter when she enters the campaign, that shadowing in the bus thing was not the best tack IMO. She just seems to love to throw everyone off. Think how she blew back onto the scene after disappearing for several months then emerged with a book. Drama.
There is just too much baggage here. I think a man like Cain has a lot going for him and I look forward to hearing more about him.
Again JC – I appreciate your good comments here.
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James Crawford
September 26, 2011
Good points although Id describe her as a loyal running mate rather than a devisive factor in the 2008 campaign. It was McCaine’s campaign staff who decided to spend big bucks on clothes to dress her up like a Barbie doll rather than concentrate on interview preparation. More importantly, it is my understanding that Alaska’s ethics laws allow elected officials to use either campaign funds or accept donations to defray legal costs. There was nothing the GOP establishment could legally do to help Gov Palin. Palin had already alienated the Republican establishment with her nonpartisan ethics crusade in Alaska. The way the McCain operatives scapegoated her before the election was even lost, she certainly had no reason to trust them.
I also think Palin helped mold the Tea Party into a constructive force. When attended the first rally in Portland, there were a number of sentiments expressed ranging from libertarian to neoNazi. Palin helped mold the Tea Party into it’s current Libertarian, fiscally conservative personae and prevented it from morphing into a third party rather than a Republican faction.
James Crawford
September 26, 2011
Excuse me, I mistyped. Alaska’s ethics laws do not allow officials to use campaign funds or accept donations to defray legal costs. When faced with legal bills that vastly exceeded her Governor’s salary on her Husband’s reduced salary to avoid more ethics complaints, she was on the fast track to bankruptcy.
Personally, I love her bus tour antics. Keeps reminding everyone who the metaphorically 800 pound mama grizzly is (literally about 130 pound I’d estimate) in the Republican party is. It was such a successful ploy that President Obama went out and bought two buses on the tax payers dime ( if you think they only cost two million bucks I’ve got some Brooklynne Bridge real estate to sell you), then disgraced himself further by flying himself on Air Force One and his bus On a C-17 at a cost of millions of dollars more so that he wouldn’t actually have to ride very far in them. Palin’s bus didn’t cost the tax payers a dime, it gets about a hundred times the fuel economy, and it has a cooler paint job!
samhenry
September 27, 2011
Thank you for these additions to the conversation. They are good ones and should be here.
arlenearmy
September 27, 2011
SH, remember the Ireport days when things got tense. Well…..
If you are on twitter in the conservative crowd & say something as simple as: “Palin should not run”. You would be attacked & mauled by Palin followers. Evidence of the occurrence Ive witnessed reveals that there’s a real FRACTURE in the teaparty / conservative group. This is something you will not see in the media or on-line news reports.
As you probably already know, I’m mainly a twitter-er rather than an active blogger type. For the past 3-4 weeks, turmoil erupted on twitter over Palin amongst conservatives. It got so bad that twitter war erupted between hard core Palin followers who INITIATED attacks on the other conservatives who challenged or questioned Palin’s intention or sincerity. Then the name calling started. Then each group began a mass select “blocking” of each. Ive even unblocked several. .
It started when conservative teaparty types decided they got tired of waiting on Palin & supported Bachmann. This was expressed on twitter. Then the Palin followers attacked the Palin-deserters. It died down for few days until after Palin went to Iowa. Folks expecting her to announce. And when she didnt, more of her supporters pealed off. By that time Perry got in the race. That’s when shit hit the fan.
The big blow out turned into a showdown when staunch conservative journalist Carlson Tucker owner of DailyCaller blog posted the audio of Tyson talking about Palin. Greta VanSustern got pissed & called out Carlson via twitter to a public showdown. Her radio followers got on twitter campaigning other conservative twitters to boycott DailyCaller & Carlson Tucker. This is when the lines were drawn. The worst part was when a conservative blogger who apparently adores Palin, reportedly got vindictive & posted a blog about Carlson’s employee & calling him a pedophile & posted a photo of the employee’s young niece. Carlson reportedly threatened to sue the Palin supporter blogger if he didn’t remove the posting. The posting came down, but but the bashing continued.
Obama followers are pretty bad, but the hard core Palin followers are FAR WORST to deal with.
arlenearmy
September 27, 2011
Oh btw, there was only 2 tweets about Palin today saying that her attorney sent letter to Ginnis’s publisher suggesting “maybe” “sort of” a lawsuit. This was linked to BretBart website today. This fact alone, should tell anyone that Palin is not running for President.
samhenry
September 27, 2011
Ahhh interesting Arlene and bears out my theories about how Palin is regarded by some of the electorate – tired of waiting for her.
It also lets me know why a key Palin blogger and her associate have abandoned a key blog and focused on Twitter. The super blogger recognized early on the import f Twitter
blackwatertown
September 27, 2011
Just dropping by to say hello. Interesting discussion. But I’ll stay on the sidelines for this one – would otherwise feel like an interloper intervening in a family – I won’t say row, because it isn’t – discussion.
samhenry
September 27, 2011
Right you are, Roo. On this blog we have discussions. So glad you noticed. We are proof positive that the full spectrum of Republicans can get together and exchange ideas rather than blows. Makes me proud of the group. Thanks for stopping by. It means a lot.
samhenry
September 27, 2011
To all of the commentators: It is interesting that Cain of all the candidates raises the most respect and the least heat. I think we all want to see more of him and to learn more about him.
DarcsFalcon
September 28, 2011
Did someone call you unreasonable, Sam? Do I need to go kick some butt?
I think people are defensive of Palin. They’ve seen her vilified all over the place, the lies, the smears, the threats, and so they leap to her defense whenever it seems someone is trashing her. I’ve stuck up for her myself, when someone was spreading a false rumor about her prior to the 08 election. A legitimate complaint, now that’s different, and can be discussed.
I also think that it’s the media that’s taken the “will she or won’t she” thing over the top. Palin herself said she wouldn’t have a decision until probably at least the last of Sept or early Oct. That people basically keep harassing her about it doesn’t mean she’s teasing people. It’s kind of like the “are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet” pestering that kids do from the back seat. That’s not the driver’s fault.
I think letting the other potential candidates have the floor right now is a good thing, it let’s us see what they’re about. If Palin were in right now, the spotlight would be on her, and we’d be missing all the heat being laid on the others. And that vetting heat is a good thing. Shows where the dross is.
In the meantime, we play with the cards on the table. If they change, we’ll deal with that then.